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Red Wings Won’t Have Cap Space When Dealing Is Done

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CapFriendly.com shows Detroit Red Wings general manager Steve Yzerman with $28.8 million in cap space remaining. But that amount will evaporate quickly as he begins to sign his players he wants to keep.

Yzerman has 13 returning players under contract. He has five restricted free agents, including Moritz Seider and Lucas Raymond who will receive the majority of his cap space if they want long-term contracts. Other restricted free agents in the plans for next season are Jonatan Berggren, Albert Johansson and Joe Veleno. Berggren and Johansson won’t be waiver exempt in 2024-25, meaning they can’t be sent to Grand Rapids without passing through the waiver process.

“We have to make room for them and it’ll be up to them as individuals to earn that spot, whatever spot in the lineup they can. I wouldn’t rule out anybody, pick a name in GR,” Yzerman said. “I don’t want to say definitely they won’t be here because they’re winding down their season and hopefully are going to have a good playoff run and things can change over the course of a long playoff run and we could potentially see more players pushing for a spot on the roster.”

Berggren and Johansson both will sign in the $1 million range. Those deals would take Yzerman’s available space down to $26.8 million.

“Sooner or later, I’ll get a rough idea of how much money we’re going to have because we’re getting close to the cap,” Yzerman said. “I got to really start to think about the cap now. So some decisions might simply be based on our cap situation.

Veleno is trickier to forecast because he has arbitration rights. He had 12 goals and 28 points, and he has moved up and down Detroit’s lines. He is versatile role player. The comparison for Veleno is Chicago’s Philipp Kurashev who was awarded $2.2 million through arbitration last summer after producing nine goals and 25 points.

Arbitration Right Helps Veleno

The Blackhawks offered Kurashev $1.4 million per season on a two-year deal and the player asked for $2.65 million on a one-year deal. The arbitrator was closer to the player’s request. He did give the team the two-year deal.

Based on that decision, it seems as if Veleno’s arbitration rights will assure him a deal in the $2 million range.

Let’s go $2.1 million per season for Veleno on a two-year deal. That would put the Red Wings at $24.7 million with seven players left to sign.

It’s impossible to know where negotiations will take either Seider and Raymond with regard to term and dollar amount. If Seider is willing to accept a long-term deal, there are No. 1 defenseman contract comparisons out there suggesting he’s worth more than $9 million per season on an eight-year deal. His agent could make that case.

But the best Seider comparisons are Ottawa’s Jake Sanderson (eight years, $8.05 million) and Buffalo’s Owen Power (seven years, $8.35 million), although Seider’s impact is more established than Sanderson’s and Power’s. Lucas Raymond’s best comparisons are Ottawa’s Tim Stutzle (eight years, $8.35 million per season) and Montreal’s Cole Caufield (eight years, $7.85 million per season).

Larkin the Ceiling?

We can guess Yzerman will not want to pay Seider or Raymond more than his captain Dylan Larkin. He’s making $8.7 million per season.

Let’s put both Raymond and Seider signing at $8.1 million and $8.3 million per season, respectively, on eight-year deals. Completing those deals at that price would leave Yzerman $8.3 million with five players left to sign.

Christian Fischer should be one of those five because he is strong on the forecheck, plays hard on every shift. Coaches respect his game. Give him a small raise to $1.2 million. That would leave Yzerman $7.1 million with four players left to sign for a 23-person. Another roster spot will go to Simon Edvinsson who is an entry level cap hit of $894,000. Now, Detroit has $6.2 million for three players.

Without any other changes to the roster, the Red Wings could probably afford to bid on Patrick Kane or Shayne Gostisbehere, but not both. There would be no room for David Perron or Daniel Sprong.

But Yzerman may be able to open up cap space by making a trade or two. He undoubtedly would like to move Justin Holl’s $3.5 million cap hit. It’s questionable if he can do that. Would he be willing to retain some salary? Would he add a draft pick? Holl has some desirability in the right deal.

“I don’t really foresee anything dramatic,” Yzerman said. “I guess we could debate what would be dramatic.”

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Trade Could Open Space

Yzerman has to move a defenseman if he wants to re-sign Gostisbehere. If they keep Gostisbehere, and then add Edvinsson and Johansson, the Red Wings would have nine defensemen.

Moving Holl’s salary would give them $9.7 million for three players.  That would leave Detroit with the ability to offer both Kane and Gostisbehere $4.35 million each and have $1 million left for the 23rd player. It could be Marco Kasper, or a veteran role player they add. Let’s also note that Kane had many positive comments about his time in Detroit, but he also made it clear that he was going to explore the market.  According to sources around the league, Kane would be justified to ask for $5 million-plus.

Gostisbehere is also coming off a strong offensive season and he could have several options.

If they don’t land either of those two players, they could re-sign Perron and then add some toughness. Of course, all of it changes as well if Seider and Raymond want a shorter term deal to give them a chance to see how much the cap grows in the near future. On a four-year deal,  Seider might be at $6.75 million for four years and Raymond would be at $6.5. Those deals would give Yzerman a little more cap space to use.

Plus, Yzerman has a history of making moves that were unanticipated. He could move another defenseman, such as Olli Maatta, or he could move a forward in a hockey trade. All we know for sure is that next year’s team won’t look like this season’s team.

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tav

Good write up and review. This is the basics of it. Due to cap there will have to be changes. What changes depend on what deals he gets done with the big two and other RFAs.

Also no mention of a goalie add and that seems pretty certain. Could be Reimer for $1M, but think it could also be another vet (hopefully a little better) at maybe 2-2.5M range. Since he doesn’t seem to want to move Husso for a better option. Think it is a must though if they don’t move Husso his durability issues make it almost mismanagement to not have cover.

Stevie B

Is it too soon to be using Cossa as a 3rd goalie? Lyon / Husso / Cossa ? If it’s not too soon I think that would work. I’m not a big fan of bringing Reimer back, although if the consensus is that Cossa isn’t ready for a 3rd spot, I could make peace with keeping Reimer.

Personally I would move Husso which would throw all this into the air. We have two problems with Husso, there is the injury stuff, plus the fact that when he was playing, he’s been sketchy since the back end of last season. I personally dont think he can be relied on in more ways than one. The injury problems wouldn’t be so bad if he was playing well when he played. I think you can have one or the other, injury problems or form problems, but not both – thats the time to move someone on imho. Problem is, there is probably no market for him. I actually think the goalie conundrum is every bit the bottleneck as all the other cap gymnastics. Big offseason for Stevie, he’s got to get these decisions right. Rather him than me, this all looks like an impossible problem.

Sarah

Is that the best thing for Cossa though? to sit in the press box as the 3rd string?

Stevie B

Possibly not but thats not what I was advocating. As a player who doesn’t require waivers to be moved up and down, could he not split his time between two assignments? ie, bring him up if Husso gets injured and use him as backup but send him back when the two senior goalies are available and in good form.

Mike Babcock

Not at all.

Cossa needs to play as many games as possible and Grand Rapids is the best place for him next season.

Mike Babcock

Good luck moving an expensive, injury prone goalie who can’t stop a beach ball.

I bet other GM’s are salivating over the thought of acquiring Husso.

The UFA market is akin to lethal injection or the electric chair.

Losey may as well put a cardboard Pop up of Manny Legace in net next season.

Last edited 8 days ago by Mike Babcock
Mark W

Yes. This situation with the hated cap is such that in the very near future it’s likely that some fan’s favorite Wings player will be dealt away for maybe a high draft choice or sure thing prospect.

That player will be a part of the core due to his salary…Who’s it gonna be ?

What I expect to happen is ALL the non-core veterans will be one-way-or-another, gone…replaced by a bunch of current and soon to be GR players. Sound risky? Its the way of the cap. You can’t pay them all/so you can’t build a dynasty under the cap. Get used to the idea.

How do the big market teams seem to do it ? Ask the Commish ? The cap needs to go.

Jerby

The cap is a demand of the owners, it’s not going anywhere. And Detroit IS a “big market”.

Stevie B

Personally I’m at peace with losing vets and replacing them with the kids as long as its done when the kids are ready. I think thats just natural progession, I dont think there is much risk involved there as long as you have drafted well, which we seem to have done. To me, the biggest risk involved is making that transition happen at a rate that doesn’t hurt you too much in the present. It might involve having to invoke the dreaded word: patience. My biggest fear about transitioning from vets to youth is that we might have to eat craw for a while as the kids grow into the team. Me personally, I’ve got patience to burn, I could take it, but if you’ve seen the state of X / Youtube lately, thats where my fear is…..patience is not what you call in abundance there. The biggest problem I think we have right now? It’s not the cap, its the fanbase. (quickly ducks).

Last edited 9 days ago by Stevie B
Mark W

Too much patience was behind the “dead wings” era. Too much expansion boosts a big market for failed team sweatshirts. The fan POV keeps the doors open.

Jerby

Let’s put both Raymond and Seider signing at $8.1 million and $8.3 million per season, respectively, on eight-year deals.

Lol neither is going to command anywhere near that money as an RFA, maybe when they are UFAs.

Mike Babcock

Sounds like Seider and Raymond are both looking for fair deals and love being Red Wings.

Yzerman is a tough negotiator but he knows his team’s future is tied to Larkin, Raymond and Seider.

I think both players get re-signed before UFA because Yzerman will want to know how much cap he can get overpay UFA’s with.

Last edited 8 days ago by Mike Babcock
Mike Babcock

Oh yeah that’s smart.

Let’s sign Raymond and Seider to bridge deals or walk them to UFA!

Better yet in 4-5 years we can pay both players 12 mil AAV!

GM’s pay players for what they hope they will do.

Before it was paying them for what they did in the past

Last edited 8 days ago by Mike Babcock
Gregory Sloup

Veleno is dispensable and certainly not worth $2 million in my opinion; he had 2 points over the final 20 games. His game is minimal and could be replicated by someone cheaper if given the same opportunity as he’s been given.

Mike Babcock

Agreed. Veleno isn’t worth 2 mil AAV.

Just because that’s what his market value is doesn’t mean Yzerman has to pay it.